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Relationship Aquarium Interview with Richard
Bach THINKING
ALLOWED JEFFREY MISHLOVE, Ph.D.: Hello and
welcome. I'm Jeffrey Mishlove. This is Volume 2 of our two-volume series,
"Adventures of the Spirit," with author Richard
JEFFREY MISHLOVE, Ph.D.: Hello and welcome. I'm Jeffrey Mishlove. This is Part 2 of our two-part series, "Adventures of the Spirit," with author Richard Bach, who wrote Jonathan Livingston Seagull, Bridge Across Forever, One, Illusions, and Running from Safety. Welcome again, Richard. BACH: Thank you. MISHLOVE: We were talking about your sense of intuition as sort of a reality check for you. BACH: I've never heard the words used so beautifully -- exactly right! There is a kind of humming, wordless -- it is a tiny thermonuclear generator that's tucked way, way back in my psyche, and it tells me what is real. And I reference that. If someone tells me, "This is real because it has atoms and molecules," my intuition shakes its head and says, "No, don't listen to that. Reality lies far beyond space and time, and I need to know why." So I will ask, and I will say, "What is real?" And it will say -- it has brought me over the decades to the clearest statement of reality that I know how to make, and it's two words. It's "Life is." That happened to me at a specific time that I can point to. It happened in Ottumwa, Iowa. I was mowing the yard, and all of a sudden I realized, "Life is." And I stopped mowing, and I looked at the trees, and there was light around the trees. And there's a barbed wire fence I remember, and it looked like it had just been plugged into about 50,000 volts. It was glowing. What's going on? MISHLOVE: One of those numinous, radiant moments. BACH: Exactly right. Intuition was
telling me, "Richard, I give you a glimpse of truth. This is real." From
those two words cascades everything that I believe in. If life is, then
death isn't. "Well, OK, here's the appearance of death. Here's a corpse,
passed out on the floor or in its coffin. What do you say about that? Life
is?" "That is an appearance of death. Life has not been so much as
flickered by that event. It happened in your little space-time world."
Well, what is this whole world We can only see certain things; everything else is dark. We can only hear certain things; everything else is muffled away. And we are caught up by this illusion that we know is just simply a series of still pictures projected on a blank wall, one after another, but done swiftly so they seem to move. Gradually we're caught up into it, and then we're caught up into what these moving pictures are saying, so that when the monster appears, we scream. That's a real scream for us. MISHLOVE: It's like when you go to a movie, you can sometimes get so caught up in it you think you're right there. BACH: Absolutely right. And so this
world, I think, and an indefinite number of other worlds of our creation,
are also -- we're here for fun; we're here for learning; we're here for
rembering who we are, and who we are, are expressions of life so
absolutely linked with the life that is, always was, always will be. The
big bang and the big crunch don't even flicker on the scale of that life.
We are free creatures, and we're allowed to do whatever we choose to do.
One thing we But if we want to, we can believe we can, and we can make worlds of wonderful imagination that seem ferocious, that seem playful, that seem idyllic, that seem testing. Whatever we want to sharpen our imagination against, that will be. There's a great cosmic law, I believe, that says what we hold in our thoughts comes true in the world around us, in the world of appearances around us. So why not -- if we know this is the
case, if we are eternal creatures expressing life, and we know who we are,
and we know there is this theater in which we can play -- why not create a
very difficult and challenging lifetime? I will
MISHLOVE: Right. End Part One of Three
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